AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (Toledo) TjMax Incorrect?

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AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (Toledo) TjMax Incorrect?

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Hi,

Latest CoreTemp / Gadget versions / Windows 7 Ult. (32 Bit). I'm seeing a TjMax of 52°C in the gadget which is far too low for this CPU. Can you explain why I'm seeing this?

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Re: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (Toledo) TjMax Incorrect?

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Actually it is wrong. The next version will have this problem fixed.
Although we're talking TCaseMax, not TjMax, they are not the same and tcasemax is usually at least 15c lower than tjmax.
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Re: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (Toledo) TjMax Incorrect?

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The Coolest wrote:Actually it is wrong. The next version will have this problem fixed.
Although we're talking TCaseMax, not TjMax, they are not the same and tcasemax is usually at least 15c lower than tjmax.
Thanks for the speedy answer! When is the next version due?

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Re: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (Toledo) TjMax Incorrect?

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It should be released late this month or early September. The Core Temp Gadget will also be updated around the same time, so watch the gadget for an update notification.
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AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (True Spirit 140 Direct) / Mobo: Asrock Fatal1ty X470 / EVO 970 500GB + WD Blue 250GB + HDD / GPU: Dell RX 570 4GB / Mem: 2x16GB DDR4-3200 G.Skill 32GTZKW TridentZ - 32GB total / PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Gold 650W
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Core i7 2600K 3.4GHz @ 4.3GHz (Scythe Mugen2) / Mobo: Biostar TP67XE / 2x Inland Pro 120GB + HDDs / GPU: ATi Mach64 VT2 / Mem: 4x4GB DDR3-1600 G.Skill 8GBXL RipJawsX - 16GB total / PSU: Seasonic S12II 620W.
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Re: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (Toledo) TjMax Incorrect?

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The Coolest wrote:It should be released late this month or early September. The Core Temp Gadget will also be updated around the same time, so watch the gadget for an update notification.
Thanks...

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Re: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (Toledo) TjMax Incorrect?

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Jem wrote:
The Coolest wrote:It should be released late this month or early September. The Core Temp Gadget will also be updated around the same time, so watch the gadget for an update notification.
Thanks...
Still wrong in the new version! It's telling me 55°...

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Re: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (Toledo) TjMax Incorrect?

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It is not TjMax, it's TCaseMax and it's what AMD set it to.
The s939 have a "variable" TCaseMax and TDP values which were written into the CPU. Meaning you could have 2 identical CPU's in your hands and they would have different TCaseMax and TDP values. The range was usually from 51 - 70C.
The formula Core Temp used until now for the TCaseMax calculation was simply wrong, and it has been fixed now.
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AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (True Spirit 140 Direct) / Mobo: Asrock Fatal1ty X470 / EVO 970 500GB + WD Blue 250GB + HDD / GPU: Dell RX 570 4GB / Mem: 2x16GB DDR4-3200 G.Skill 32GTZKW TridentZ - 32GB total / PSU: Seasonic Prime Ultra Gold 650W
NAS:
Core i7 2600K 3.4GHz @ 4.3GHz (Scythe Mugen2) / Mobo: Biostar TP67XE / 2x Inland Pro 120GB + HDDs / GPU: ATi Mach64 VT2 / Mem: 4x4GB DDR3-1600 G.Skill 8GBXL RipJawsX - 16GB total / PSU: Seasonic S12II 620W.
Secondary rigs:
Core i3 7130U / MiniPC / SanDisk SDSSDP-128G / GPU: Intel HD 620 / Mem: 1x8GB DDR3L-1600
Xeon X3430 2.40GHz @ 3.06GHz or Core i3 540 3.06GHz @ 4.0GHz (Freezer 7 Pro) / Mobo: MSI H55M-ED55 / PNY CS1111 240GB / GPU: ATI FirePro V3800 / Mem: 4x2GB DDR3-1600 G.Skill 4GBRL RipJaws - 8GB total / PSU: Seasonic S12II 620W
AMD Phenom II X4 B93 / Mobo: ASUS M2A-VM / GPU: ATI Radeon Xpress X1250 / Crucial M4 120GB / Mem: 2x2GB DDR2-800 - 4GB total / PSU: Antec 380W.

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